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[Гость]

Тай Ебется с дженсеном. Пруф.

А что же делать, когда вживую не даёт? Кому как не нам, облизывающим мониторы и телефоны с неземной красотой Джеев на заставках, понять страдания бедного Тая?)))

[Гость]

аноны, а кто тут вещал о пользе и длительности гостевого брака и приводил в пример пару Белуччи-Кассель. Так вот не катит твой примерчик, разводятся они. Как раз после того как немного вместе пожили

[Гость]

Так вот не катит твой примерчик, разводятся они.

Ну так а "наши" наоборот вроде бы - все больше сближаются... Женевьев постоянно с Джаредом и он везде рассказывает, как офигенно счастлив в браке, а Дженсен говорил, что каждый уикэнд дома, с дочкой, и очень скучает без нее. Не знаю, если это просто пиар, так отработали бы "обязательную" программу и всё, но они по-моему реально увлеклись этой темой)))

[Гость]

Женевьев постоянно с Джаредом и он везде рассказывает, как офигенно счастлив в браке, а Дженсен говорил, что каждый уикэнд дома, с дочкой, и очень скучает без нее. Не знаю, если это просто пиар, так отработали бы "обязательную" программу и всё, но они по-моему реально увлеклись этой темой)))

это пока они имеют возможность остальные девять месяцев в году вместе проводить, с интересом послушаю про счастье, когда Джаред начнёт жить с ними на одной территории постоянно и Дженсена рядом не будет

[ТинХэт]

Тай Ебется с дженсеном. Пруф.

пруф эпичен

[Гость]

и он везде рассказывает, как офигенно счастлив в браке

говорил, что каждый уикэнд дома

анон, а хочешь я тебе расскажу как вчера ночью ходила на центральную площадь города собирать грибы и видела там инопланетян? они такие милые, пели частушки и танцевали джигу, мы с ними даже бухнули за кустом смородины

это я к тому, что рассказать то млжно абсолютно что угодно

[Гость]

это пока они имеют возможность остальные девять месяцев в году вместе проводить, с интересом послушаю про счастье, когда Джаред начнёт жить с ними на одной территории постоянно и Дженсена рядом не будет

ну вот вам и ответ, зачем они подписались еще на два сезона

[Гость]

ну вот мне тоже интересно даже иногда посмотреть, что же у них будет происходить после окончания сериала, когда ничего не будет мешать их семейной жизни

[ТинХэт]

в 10:24

сериал J2 реально интереснее уже)))
всего два года осталось, очень сомневаюсь, что СПН продлят дальше

[Гость]

мона ссыль, на это самое вранье? или это фантазии Динохейтеров?

Да, когда это Дин говорил, что вылечил Сэма? Кому врал на эту тему?

Ребята, вы чего, КомикКон не смотрели? Там про это и Дженсен, и Джаред, и Сингер говорили.
В финалке 8с. Сэм ведь совсем плохой был, а в первых же сериях 9 - как ни в чем не бывало ходит. Ну вот, Дин там чего-то опять нашаманил, а что именно - Сэму не скажет. Сэма это очень больно ранит - поскольку он-то "верен клятвам, данным в церкви"))) и думает, что теперь между ними никаких тайн нет. А у Дина, выходит, опять секретик, причем с далеко идущими последствиями: очередными необратимыми изменениями в личности Сэма.

о фанфикшене на тему

На госсипах уже какой-то анонче целый макси-фик сочинил на тему (разумеется, в виде Особо Секретных Спойлеров от создателей сериала) про какую-то метафизическую сущность, порожденную Дином, которая живет теперь в Сэме. Автор очень настаивает, что это не МПРЕГ. С одной стороны, она не дает ему умереть и даже дает определенные сверхспособности для противостояния озлобленным падшим ангелам, с другой - необратимо меняет. Впрочем, там и Бобби все еще в Сэме тусуется, что опять же ухудшает положение: второе-то испытание не завершено. В общем, прикольная история. Я бы зачла, если бы кто-то написал полноценный фик на эту тему.))

[Гость]

про какую-то метафизическую сущность, порожденную Дином, которая живет теперь в Сэме.

ты с кафедрой из не путаешь? про метафизическую сущность и Дин-отец-всего - это вроде из глюк)))

[Гость]

Впрочем, там и Бобби все еще в Сэме тусуется, что опять же ухудшает положение: второе-то испытание не завершено.

В каком смысле "все еще"? На конец 8-го сезона он был в раю. Как в Сэма попал?

[Гость]

Помнится, Бобби благополучно отбыл на небеса. и как-то не припоминаю, чтобы в конце 8-го сезона Дин с кем-то заключал сделки, чтобы исцелить Сэма

[Гость]

Ну, кому не лень, можете почитать простыню из "спойлеров" креативного анона с госсипов.
Варнинг: реально простыня

креатифф

-What escaped from Sam's arm in Taxi Driver WASN'T Bobby's soul, it was something else completely.
-Crowley knows what it is, as did as Naomi, both of them meant to deceive The Winchesters about what it was, and use it to their own ends.
-This thing was keeping Sam relatively healthy during the trials until it's departure.
-Sam didn't complete the second trial, which is why he is still sick.
-Bobby is still in Sam's body, and Jared will play "Bobby" for part of the premier, until Death returns to actually escort Bobby to heaven.
-Sam is going to need this thing back in his body if he wants to go on living.
-It's NOT Sam's soul.
-There are several clues to what this thing is in Taxi Driver.

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How can I say this without giving it away completely... look at the thing that comes out of Sam's arm, and how different it looks from Bobby's soul going in.

Listen to/rewatch the part where Sam and Ajay enter purgatory.

Start with those two things.

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Not evil, not Lucifer, not Adam. You're sort of in the right ballpark, however.

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It's not someone Sam is aware of or "knows" from the past.

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I can also tell you that Jared's excited about being "Sam" this year because he'll essentially be playing two characters (not Bobby, after episode one anyway) at the same time, which is a challenging and interesting thing for an actor to do.

There are some pics floating around of Jared filming the first three eps that might be considered clues, too.

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Q: Any idea whether he'll be playing two characters for the entire season or for just part of it?

A: I'm pretty sure it'll be for at least the first half of the season, because it seems likely to me they'll save "the reveal" for the mid-season break and it milk it for drama purposes.

That's just a guess, though.

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Q: OMG I just had a horrifying thought... suppose it's Ruby. Imagine the awful things Jared would say at cons about how "Ruby" is inside him. Oh please God no...

A: Without confirming or denying that you're right, I will say that you will see a running theme of young girls featuring heavily in the first half of the season... Tracy, Dorothy, Robin as a teenager, to name a few... and that is not a coincidence.

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Q: Wait, so is it about the bloodline or about the girls? Which is it?
A: Right about bloodlines, and a lot of parallelism.

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I would say a lot it was all planned (at least some of it) from the beginning of the season. I can see signs of it as early as 8.03 (I think?) & probably earlier, if I rewatch.

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Q: Could you possibly tell us which specific parts of the episodes last season we should look at to pick up clues or certain things we should keep an eye out for? Otherwise I feel like we are flying blind because I have no idea what to even look for.
A: Anything to do with hearts (I mean the literal organ) is a clue. There's a ton of references to them scattered throughout the season, and that's no accident.

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Q: Or Sam is going to turn into a Mayan god?
A: Not turning into a Mayan god. The situation isn't the same really, it's just one of the episodic parallels that SPN likes to do.

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Q: I have a question. This "thing" that got out of Sam and went to Heaven and now isn't there anymore. Was it always with him or it's recent?
A: It's recent-y.

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Q: So it's about "angelic bloodline"?
A: Let's just say that bloodlines are really important to the premier, and have a lot to do with Sam's heart problems.

The phrase "chest burster" comes to mind, lol. That poor lady Abbadon was possessing should be able to relate.

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Q: Just please say it's not God.
A: LOL, no, it's not quite that cosmically important.

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It's not BASED in that episode exactly (Taxi Driver), you just see "it" for the first time in that particular form (and by that I mean a ball of bluish light).

Bobby knows what it is, having been in Sam's body with it, so you'll find out almost immediately in the premier.

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Bobby will tell Dean, who with assistance will then recover this "thing" that is no longer in heaven, and it will exist in Sam's body with Sam completely unaware of it. Until he finds out, that is.

The decision to do this is pretty gut-wrenching for reasons that will become apparent in the premier, and harken back to the church scene in 8x23.

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I think fandom will be pretty dead split on whether it's ridiculous/shitty or amazing/awesome, but I could be wrong.

Like Carver said, it involves "the boys", not just Sam. Dean probably has more of a role to play than you think.

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You will absolutely understand why he (Dean) keeps it a secret, I'll say that much.

As for the brothers, it really changes the dynamic of their relationship, even before Sam finds out. I would say it really plays into the larger themes of the show. That said, not everyone is going to like it, because it's a harbinger of serious changes. So to speak.

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How does it change (brother relationship)? Based on what I've heard, the first half of season 9 is pretty damn happy, then nearly everything goes to shit in the later half, including (I assume) the brother's relationship over what Dean kept from Sam.

I mean, it's kind of understandable. Dean gave Sam a talk about how he would respect Sam's choices, treat him like an equal, always put him first, etc, and a lot of that is blown out of the water by the decision Dean is forced to make in episode one.

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They are family. That's what the situation it so difficult. Dean is going to be facing a real Sophie's Choice, so to speak.

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Q: Do you have any spoilers for Dean?
A: How can I put this... Dean is the cause or source of many the decisions and circumstances that control the myth arc. However, the CONSEQUENCES of those decisions affect him mostly on an emotional level, not a physical one.

Dean is sort of like the eye of the storm around which everything revolves. Things happen around him, he's at the center of the storm, but it's everyone else who gets picked up and whirled around.

If you're looking for Dean to get magical powers or something like Sam has in the past, I think you'll be disappointed.

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Oh, and I forgot: there's going to a real reversal of what happened in season 8. Dean will be really happy for most of the first half of the season & Sam will be less so. So Dean has that going for him.

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Q: How is Dean going to be really happy in the first half, since we know that he'll have to keep big secret from Sam?

A: He's not happy about the secret. It's other things.

I can't really say any more about the situation without giving everything away.

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Q: Do the other things have to do with Sam as well?
A: Sort of. Let's say Sam is the shiny wrapping paper on the present Dean gets from TPTB this year. But not the present itself.

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Q: Dean wasn't unhappy in the first half of season 8. It was Sam who was brooding over losing his normal life. He wasn't unhappy in the second half either, just worried for Sam.

A: We're going to have to disagree then, because I think a man who says he's living in a dark tunnel with no light at the end of it, and then tries to go on a suicide mission, has basically lost hope that he'll ever be happy or he wants out of life.

Hell, in one episode he tells Sam to go to Amelia, "Maybe it's time for one of us to be happy." Implying that neither of them are, at that point.

I will concede the point about Sam. I was thinking more about his happiness during his time with Amelia, not so much after he left.

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It has to do with the promises Dean made (both explicitly and implied).

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Q: What about the set pics of Sam at a hospital with Dean? Can you divulge any info on that? Does Dean take Sam there but he immediately rebounds because Bobby takes over Sam's body when JP is acting as Bobby.
A: They meet Ezekiel in the hospital. I'll say that much.


A: To put it another way: Sam is the vessel of what's making Dean happy. Aside from Sam himself not being dead, that is. The whole thing is very bittersweet, though.

Here's some stuff from an interview with Robert Singer:

"Without giving too much away, as Jeremy said at the panel, last year they put themselves above their mission," Singer told us when comparing Season 9 to the previous year. "That's going to have a price, and that price is going to affect Sam in a certain way, and it's going to affect Dean in a very emotional and almost guilt-ridden way," he teased.

Q: Sam's the one possessed but it's Dean the one suffering? Really? because Sam's possessed with the ghost of his undead daughter/mother/lover/friend/baby sister his mother was pregnant with when she died? Holy crap balls this is some fine trolling. In all honesty A+++

A: It's not a ghost. I wouldn't use the term possession either, exactly. I'm not sure if you mean I'm trolling or TPTB are, but more details about this are going to be leaking out as the premier approaches. Watch and then compare them to what I'm saying.

Q: (Not to mention that Sam can hardly learn a new side of Dean if Dean is keeping this whole thing a secret.)

A: It's two different things. One is a secret, one isn't, but they're related.

Q: Can you answer a question yes or no? Is it Mary?

A: No

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A: Oh, and here's some more: Naomi didn't rescue Castiel from purgatory, like she said. That was a crock of lies.

She did, however, fuck around with Castiel's mind more than we're explicitly shown in season 8.

[Гость]

креатифф. часть 2

A: Pregnant is not the word for it, anymore than Meg Masters was pregnant with the demon possessing her, or Jimmy Novak was pregnant with Castiel.

I wish people would stop using that word. It makes it sound ridiculous, when in fact SPN is chock full of people having disembodied creatures in them.

Q: But you said that Sam wasn't being "possessed." Those two examples you used are possessions, meaning that the entity is in charge of the vessel, not the other way around. If this entity is possessing Sam, then we're not going to get Sam Winchester on our screens, just Jared Padalecki impersonating Bobby Singer and a teenage girl that might be Dean's angelic love child.

Or are we going to get split personality Sam this year? Answer that.

A: You know the demons on the show sometimes "recede" and let the original consciousness of the body talk? It's like that, except Sam is the "awake" one most of the time, and has no memory (at least at first) of what transpires while this other entity is in control.

FYI, the name of this thing hasn't been released yet publicly and could well have been changed, but it's associated with purity, and I think it's "working name" (which is a fucking mouthful) is a sort of wiki article meta in-joke about why it hasn't talked yet. Amongst other things.

Odds are it'll be revealed at VanCon, then you'll see what I mean.

A: You are reading into things I've never said. I said Sam and Dean would have a big fight and things would be shitty between them for a while. But like, when is this ever NOT the case on this show in recent memory? That's barely a spoiler at all, IMHO, and anyone who's been watching in the past several years should see that shit coming a mile away




Q: If you don't see how Dean spawning a metaphysical being that is going to be residing in his brother's body is not controversial news, I am not sure what your definition of controversy is.

A: You're describing it in the most wacky way possible. It's less surprising when you consider that Robert Singer said, "It's never been done before. I've never seen it done before." A list of things that a show like Supernatural hasn't done is very short, and the list of things that haven't happened on TV EVER is even shorter.

As for Castiel, fine, here: Cas isn't "on his way" to the Winchesters at first, like people seem to think. He's trying to avoid them, much like in purgatory, lest he draw the vengeful angels to them. The "more of a liability than an asset" thing is mostly Castiel's POV. Not the Winchesters. From Castiel's point of view, he can't do anything for them, so the best thing he can do is get as far away from them as possible.

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A: They meet Ezekiel in the hospital. I'll say that much.

Q: No other clues on the hospital stuff? Do the doctors tell Dean Sam will die so he has to make this choice? There were those set pics of Sam in a hospital bracelet. I'd like a hospital scene so if we are getting even a small one, it would be nice. Please, please let me know if I'm going to be majorly disappointed. Or are the bros going to be more focused on Ezekiel in the hospital? What about the convo that was mentioned from filming where a "beat up" Dean and a sick looking Sam are talking and Dean says "we'll figure it out" and "he won't remember." Is this the point where Sam is "Bobby?"

Also, will the viewers know the "secret" up front that Dean is keeping from Sam or will it be like S2 where only Dean knew what John whispered to him?

Just a comment too, if this is all supposed to be new for JP, how is it that way? JP has played two characters on many occasions. He has played Sam and Lucifer, Meg!Sam, and soulless Sam. I just don't get it.

A: You will get a hospital scene, and a pretty damn important one. The doctors aren't the ones with the power to save Sam. What's wrong with Sam is a bit (or a lot) beyond their ken.

I haven't seen the post about that convo or the context in which it took place, but it would either be Bobby talking or the being that will be inside Sam for the majority of the season -- that's the thing that will save Sam's life, ultimately.

The viewers will know from the first episode on what the secret is, and will witness it play out for the first half of the season.

I think what JP means is that a "new" side of Sam will be shown as a result of what happens in the first few episodes. That's distinct from the actual challenge of playing a new and very different character from Sam at the same time. Soulless Sam is still Sam, and if I recall, JP wasn't aware that he was soulless from the beginning. Also, Lucifer and and Meg weren't in Sam nearly as much on screen as this new character.

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To everyone who thinks these "blue light is some sort of child" thingy is total bullshit, go watch 8.19. Listen to the child's voice screaming while Sam and Ajay enter purgatory, and then hear THE SAME CHILDISH VOICE yell when Sam and Dean fall from the trees near the end and the blue light thing is released from Crowley's smoke grip.

It's very clearly an actual voice, not just a magical sound effect.

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Q: Are you saying that the creature enter Sam when he gets into Purgatory? How did it kept Sam relatively well since the first trial then?

A: Nope, it was already in there.

Q: Has it been there since Dean carried Sam from the burning house in Lawrence?

A: It's way more recent than that.

Q: Why did it scream?

A: I'm pretty sure it's scared shitless about being pulled through a mystical doorway to a monster dimension.

Q: That "just the wrapping" part from the op is what really pisses me off about the whole thing. Sam has always been Dean's fucking heart regardless of who comes and goes but now some fucked up fan and possibly the writers have reduced him to "just the wrapping." Oh, I don't really care that you're alive as long as the thing inside you that I always wanted is okay and makes it in the world. Okay. Whether it was poor wording or deliberate on the op's part, I just want to say good fucking job, op. you've made me not want to tune in at all,

Just the wrapping, fuck that,

A: Oh for the love of... would you please get over it and stop misrepresenting what I said? I meant it in the sense that Sam is it's vessel. SPN itself has used way more insulting terms for that, like angel condom, meat suit, and "wearing you to the prom".

I only used that term because I initially said it was a present to Dean from TPTB. Would you have preferred "box"?

Q: How does your destiel is canon spoilers fit into it? Who's your source. And don't fucking act like you never implied this assbaby is more important to dean than Sam. You did. Unless you want to explain more to people SHUT UP.

A: Cool, show me where I implied that and I'll be happy to explain how you're mistaken. I've already explained the 'wrapping paper' thing


Hi, it's me, the poster you're telling bald-faced lies about.

For the last time, I have never, ever said Dean doesn't give a shit about Sam. I have said the exact opposite. If you can produce a single comment I've made that says that, post a link to it.

Jeremy Carver has said repeatedly in interviews that the premier will change Sam and Dean's relationship, take it to a new place, Dean will be forced to make decisions he'd rather not make, and that Dean and Sam may have a very heavy burden to bear as a result, etc. That's not me talking, that's the show runner.


Your reading comprehension is very poor. SAM ISN'T OKAY. He's alive, and physically better, but he's being changed on multiple levels by this thing. Dean is hardly going to be overjoyed about that. Happy he's alive? Yes. Happy about the changes? No.

Will Sam be enraged and hurt when he finds out Dean's been lying to him? Absolutely.

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You're seeing that aren't there and interpreting the things that are there in the most negative light possible. You understand that the things you think are "implied" come from "implications", which by their very nature are subjective, right?

I never said Sam is "just the box", and repeating it over and won't make it so.

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Heaven isn't closed, the angels have just lost their wings and have no ability to return there.

Bobby can't stay in Sam's body for reasons covered at the end of season seven and is taken to heaven by Death, where he belongs. This may be important down the line when Metatron becomes a player again, later in the season.

The "angel protection thingy" is a who, not a what, and it's not just some regular, run-of-the-mill angel. Sam does need it back in his body, however, because the changes it made to him have left him unable to survive without it (until a solution is found). On the plus side, it makes it way easier for them to fight the angels.

Jared will be playing this "thingy" and Sam this year, which is an interesting thing for an actor to do, and I assume that's why he's so excited. Aside from the kickass fight scenes.

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It is Dean's offspring, in a metaphysical sense. He is largely responsible for it's existence

[Гость]

На конец 8-го сезона он был в раю.

Бобби благополучно отбыл на небеса.

Строго говоря, мы его там видели? В смысле, в раю/на небесах? Зазор для спекуляций остается, чего бы и не пофантазировать?

как-то не припоминаю, чтобы в конце 8-го сезона Дин с кем-то заключал сделки, чтобы исцелить Сэма

В конце 8 сезона для этого ещё тупо не было времени, кино закончилось.)

[Гость]

Зазор для спекуляций остается, чего бы и не пофантазировать?
пофантазировать то можно, но не факт, что эти фантазии реализуют в 9 сезоне. я вот тоже не слышала ни разу ни на каких комик конах, что Дин там Сэму будет врать про то, как его вылечил. госсипные пророчества мне как то не особо интересны, дайте лучше ссыль, где Джеи и Сингер об этом говорят.

[Гость]

я вот тоже не слышала ни разу ни на каких комик конах, что Дин там Сэму будет врать про то, как его вылечил.

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или это уже вольная интерпретация искаженная личными предпочтениями?

[Гость]

дайте лучше ссыль, где Джеи и Сингер об этом говорят.

Вот тут кое-что есть: www.supernatural.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=...

[анон со СТРАДАНИЕМ]

Читаю тут очередной сравнительный анализ обручальных колец Джеев. И уже который раз не могу понять, что конкретно должно доказывать наличие нескольких обручальных колец? Может кто прояснить для меня этот вопрос?

[Гость]

анон со СТРАДАНИЕМ, что у каждого по нескольку браков и все действительные
*невидимый гетник

[ТинХэт]

анон со СТРАДАНИЕМ, у тебя эта аватарка мне неизменно напоминает ГГ сериала "дикая роза", смотренный мной в глубочайшем детстве
там дама тоже рукой нос вытирала всегда - вот один в один просто

[Гость]

Аноны, хрен знает, где спросить, спрошу здесь. Где можно посмотреть расценки на фотоопы с актерами из СПН? Никак не нагуглю.

[Гость]

На Торонто кон www.creationent.com/cal/supernatural_toronto.ht...

[Гость]

На Торонто кон www.creationent.com/cal/supernatural_toronto.ht...

Благодарю, анон.

[Гость]

Гость,

в 01:39

пожалуйста

[Гость]

Посмотрела, сколько стоит фотооп, забавно, у Дженсена, Джареда и Миши цены совпадают, получается правильно на ФБ сказали, что сериал и про ангела тоже, не зря за фотооп с Мишей берут столько же, сколько и за Джеев. А вообще нехилые такие цены за фоточки. А с Йеном фотооп дороже, у них что рейтинги выше? А нет, на Пола такая же цена, как и на Джареда, Дженсена, Мишу. Справедливо, Йен поизвестнее Джеев, Миши и Пола будет.
Интересно, сколько они за коны получают, никто не слышал?

[Гость]

www.creationent.com/cal/supernatural_toronto.ht... и тут тоже в Speciak guests Мишу третьим поставили в ряд к Дженсену и Джареду. Дженсена первым поставили, интересно, каким образом определяли, по алфавиту, как в Друзьях, например, или по популярности и важности актера

[Гость]

у Дженсена, Джареда и Миши цены совпадают

куда-то не туда смотришь, анончик )
фото-оп с одним из Джеев -119, а с Мишей -65; автографы соответственно 89 и 40.

[Гость]

куда-то не туда смотришь, анончик )

так он из другой вселенной, там 119=65, сериал про сранного ангела (как правильно сказали на обсуждении фб) и динокас в каноне